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    Posted: 21 September 2011 at 10:38am
I wonder if some of you could give me some feedback on this subject.

 When I wake in the a.m. I am stiff and sore. I take my prednisone around 8 a.m., but it doesn't really start to "work" until after noon. By about 4 or 5 p.m. I start feeling "normal" (not stiff and sore, can walk fairly normally). Currently my dose is back up to 6 mg after trying a taper--I got down to 5 mg but it just wasn't right.

Do others have the same experience or does your pred start working quicker? Apologies if this has been discussed! It seems I remember someone else saying that they feel normal around bedtime, which is pretty much what I experience.
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  Quote MrsE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2011 at 12:28pm
Some people find taking some or all of their pred late at night stops that and there is work going on on a new formulation for pred which you will take at night and there will be a delayed release overnight to mimic the normal production of cortisol by the body which peaks at about 4am and prepares you for the day. The main reason for taking it in the morning rather than at night is to avoid the effect on sleeping patterns but some patients do find it has no effect on their sleep and are able to get going better in the morning. It may, of course, just be the dose you are taking at present is simply too low and once you have gone up again you will feel better. There is no reason not to try to take your pred immediately before you go to bed and see if that makes a difference.
 
We did discuss ways of getting going in the morning - some people find using an electric blanket put on before you get up makes them nice and warm and their blood flow is well set up so that they are able to get up, get stretching and moving quickly and that is a way to help PMR other than with the pred. Others find a warm shower is enough to enable them to get out for a walk or go to the gym and go something which improves their stiffness. Like everything in this darn disease, we're all different - and that includes how we deal with mornings! MrsUK says morning starts at 11.30am.
 
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  Quote RickF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2011 at 2:27pm
Hi Freesia,

I'm one of those who splits their dosage. When I started (on 20 mg / day) I took 10mg after breakfast, the 10mg after dinner. This was per my Rheumy's recommendation.  He said it would help in the morning on not feeling too stiff.  Now that I'm on 8mg, I take 5mg in the AM and 3 in the PM (after dinner). It's better they say to take it in the morning, but some of us spit it up.


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64 y.o. male Dx PMR Mar, 2010.
Started on 20mg Pred; currently on 10 mg.


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I was also one of those people who would feel at my best at the end of the day.  I never tried splitting the dose but it does sound as though it could be a good idea as long as it doesn't interrupt sleep too much.  However, perhaps in a few more days back on a slightly higher dose, the stiffness will improve anyway - I do hope so.
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  Quote freesia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 September 2011 at 7:44pm
Thanks everyone-- guess what? I felt better, sooner in the day, just this first day at a higher dose, 6mg. I think you are right, MrsE and Pearl, I just wasn't on a high enough dose!

RickF, I haven't tried splitting my dose....as long as I seem okay now that I seem to have hit on a correct dose, I will probably stick with taking it in the morning. Maybe I'll mention splitting the dose to my rheumy, though.

I do find that a nice hot shower right away in the morning helps me feel less stiff and sore.

 I also had physical therapy today--the therapist has me doing exercises to strengthen my hip muscles so I will walk correctly. I'd been lumbering around like a bear! But I feel very fit tonight!

It's such a relief to get to a dosage that helps with the pain and discomfort. Thanks everyone. I hope you have a good evening! Smile

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  Quote MrsE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 September 2011 at 12:39am
"I think you are right, MrsE and Pearl, I just wasn't on a high enough dose!"
 
That is exactly the point I keep plugging - I know I must be getting boring EmbarrassedLOL. If you are still in pain and suffering similar symptoms to those you had at dx - you are on too low a dose. This has two effects: you are not functioning well AND, much more importantly for the longterm, you are leaving your body in a state of inflammation which is bad for it. At too low a dose what is happening is that the dose you take at breakfast has to work on that inflammation that is resurfacing and get rid of it before you feel better. If the dose is enough to keep it controlled there isn't that delay. You just carry on feeling reasonably good. It's like the theory of leaving your heating on 24/7 during the winter being cheaper than turning it off and only turning it back on when the house is really too cold to be comfortable any more. The heating has to work hard to warm the structure up again and only then do you feel OK. If you leave the heating on it just ticks along maintaining the temp. I've done that for years in the UK and our utility bills weren't any higher but we were much more comfortable!
 
Yes, we know the thought of taking corticosteroids is scary because they keep telling us about all the side effects. But there are side-effects to NOT taking pred. And at 6mg you really are on a low dose and, provided you are careful about eating (weight gain and diabetes) and being checked regularly (osteoporosis, diabetes etc) you should be able to keep the pred sideeffects to a minimum.
 
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  Quote freesia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 September 2011 at 9:03am
MrsE I am glad you keep making that point--it's important.  I'm wondering if 6 mg isn't even enough--should I awake feeling a little stiff and sore? I am definitely better, that's for sure, but I'm wondering how much pain/stiffness should I have in the morning.  I've been awake an hour and a half now and I certainly notice a big difference from the way I felt at 5 mg, when I was in agony most of the day. Now I can actually get my mind off pain and think about doing things!

Now I'm worried about diabetes. My recent blood test showed my Hemoglobin A1c at 6, which is high. If it goes up to 6.4 that is considered diabetes! My doctor didn't mention it but I came home with my printed out tests and saw this when I read the results. Guess I'd better call her today. I have no idea what Hemoglobin Alc is--all my other hemoglobin values are on the low side...I hope this A1c level didn't happen from taking iron supplements.

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  Quote MrsE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 September 2011 at 12:27pm
Hb1ac is glycated haemoglobin and is formed in response to the amount of glucose in the blood. If the blood glucose level is consistently high over a long period then the Hb1ac level will also be increased. It is only affected by consistently high sugars - spikes won't affect it - and it is a good indication of whether the patient has had well controlled BS over  most of the time or whether they have been pigging and not sticking to their diet and then telling fibs!
 
My understanding is that 6 isn't particularly high, US sites suggest that 7 still indicates good control whereas higher doesn't. It is used as an indicator that maybe you are approaching a Type2 diabetes status and more care with diet maight ba appropriate. Of course steroids can increase BS levels so you would expect the Hb1ac to be a bit on the higher side. And if your doc didn't mention it she would appear to be not yet concerned. Stop worrying!!!! Wink
 
Enough pred? - give it a week or so to settle down. If you still feel the effect could be better and where you are at isn't good enough, then try 7mg. With time 6mg may bring the inflammation down anyway. But being in pain all day is not controlled - you may feel an hour or so of being stiff is acceptable but I don't think real pain is acceptable. Rick splits his dose of 8mg as 5mg/3mg morning and evening respectively and finds that doesn't affect his sleep and makes the early morning much better. If the stiffness and pain are returning overnight that may well make sleeping difficult so that is something worth trying as well.
 
Don't worry - that just makes the PMR worse!!!!
 
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  Quote RickF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 September 2011 at 1:08pm
Hi Fressia,

My Dr. just started running A1c tests on me last year. The simple glucose test taken every quarter is a snapshot of glucose level in your blood, and is why they want it to be a FBS (fasting blood sugar) test (8 hours prior - no food). But the A1c test is like a 3 month average of your blood sugar (BS). As Eileen said above, we can't lie or fool the A1c test.  My last A1c was 5.5, so he said it was in the normal range.

I found a couple of links with more information. One on the A1c from the Mayo Clinic in the U.S. (not real technical, but explains it pretty well), and another on blood glucose levels.

A1C test

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/a1c-test/MY00142/DSECTION=results

Blood Glucose Levels
http://diabetes.webmd.com/blood-glucose

I wouldn't necessarily worry about a 6 reading myself. Hope this helps.
64 y.o. male Dx PMR Mar, 2010.
Started on 20mg Pred; currently on 10 mg.


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  Quote freesia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 September 2011 at 4:18pm
Thanks, MrsE and RickF,
I appreciate the information and links!

My doc did call me back regarding this and she thinks it's the prednisone which has caused the rise in HemoglobinA1c.  I asked her what I could do, if anything, to help control it and she said exercise might help ( I think walking would probably be better than the stationary biking) and possibly diet.  She will keep monitoring it every few months. At this point she is not concerned --I know she would have taken action if she were.

I'll give the 6mg dose a week or so to settle down. Maybe it will be enough.  Or I might try splitting the dose.

Thanks--I'll try not to worry. It never helps anything!
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freesia


Edited by freesia - 23 September 2011 at 4:35pm
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