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  Quote badbones Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2006 at 6:18am

This is twilight zone, the post is labeled wrong.

THis Singapore guy is like a pop up ad. Have you ever seen the AOL ad for popups where these sales reps get right in the face of the guy walking toward the building, but when he gets to the door the popup  guy can't get in....this is a perfect example.

There is no doubt in my mind that sales rep attack Dr.'s on a daily basis with their drugs and their toys and pens...it seems everytime I go to the RD's office or my internists there is a sales rep in there.

The Portage Pfizer plant is located near me, if I take that route I would pass it each day taking my daughter back and forth to school. There have been many layoffs an dthey have a couple buildings for sale. Yes they had problems with a few drugs, drugs that helped people and I am one of those individuals that clearly believe, if the medication works, let me make the choice concerning the side effects.

I spose this guy that obviously knows very little about western medicine is our popup guy and we can view him as the "Jester". Dunno.....he just doesn't get it I guess.He is attempting to brainwash and convince, as you can all clearly see...IT ISN"T WORKING!!!!!!!!!!! 

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  Quote crunchy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2006 at 10:20am

The sales reps dont chase us down, or bug us, they do bring us pens---which we love---and alot of times they drop off pizza or donuts. Totally different experience.  We have also had drug reps come and give the nurses an inservice on how to use life-saving cardiac drugs. 

As far as side effects, there many more who do not have side effects from drugs. When there are adverse reactions affecting an large number of people, at least the FDA can pull it. With herbals, there is no regulation on the purity or consistancy of ingredients or even the processing and packaging. Herbals are powerful, that is true, and for that reason people need some sort of monitoring. There is a growing increase in the number of reliable resources available to patients who want to use herbal medications. But there is still a risk there, just like any other drug. Herbals could be great, but it is a common misconception that they are all safe all of the time.  Cocaine is natural to...dont see to many people with chronic fatigue looking to do some coke!

Now, that said, the true debate here really is not east vs. west, herbal vs. medicinal, or who has read the most articles on the whole subject. The original issue was the posting of messages inappropriatly, out of context and in an attempt to sell others on a product, book, website, person, way of thinking. There is a point when a line is crossed between gentle suggestion and persistant harrassment.  The line was crossed along time ago. It is time for it to stop. The administrator on this board would like us to notify the moderator anytime there are salespersons or other pushy peoply bothering the members. So for anyone reading this that has the intent to sell or manipulate, you need to know now that you are not welcome here by the members who post here, the readers who read here, and the group that moderates and administrates for this board.  I clearly am not speaking for myself only, but for the group.


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  Quote shanbr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2006 at 11:01am

I didn't get through the whole post, but have my 2 cents.

Yes, i too hate people who spam, but you know, that is 90% of the internet, so i just let it go and move on and don't let it trouble me.

I suffer from RA, one of the worst cases you can imagine.  I understand what it is like to want to give up and hate the world and hate this and that, but I just can't let it get to me.

Let it go.  Ignore it, complain to the site owner if it happens again, but other than that, ignore it.

We all know there is no miricle cure yet and if there was a doctor would come out with it and it would be posted in the news everywhere.

I understand how frustrated people can get from things like this.  But I hope we are all aware that these things are spam and that we shouldn't jump immediately into any new drug without the help of our doctors.

Just don't let it eat you alive.  The post was frustrating to me that I didn't real the whole thing, so maybe I missed something.



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  Quote newspaperlady Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2006 at 11:21am
Okay - I had to weigh in on this one. I'm a sales person - not a drug
rep - but I sell newspaper ads. A good salesperson sells with
integrity - by treating your customer as you would like to be treated.
Insulting your customer's intelligence is a bad way to try to make a
sale! Herbals are great if they work for you but they are
SUPPLEMENTS - hence the name they supplement other things that
are proven.

This person pushing herbals is not selling with integrity. We've all
dealt with pushy salespeople. That's not what I come here for - I
come here to read crunchy's and other's posts because they inspire
me to push a little harder. Crunchy hit the nail on the head - if there
were a miracle cure for this - you can bet your sweet bottom that it
would be mass distributed. There would be no need to harass and
insult people to try to sell your product. You would have people
beating down your door to invest in your company!

As for the gout/RA thing - I don't think that one can morph into the
other - I think there could be a misdiagnosis like in my case. The
mtx is making a difference after 2 months. I have had 2 days in a
row now where I feel decent. Its a "2" out of "10" on the pain level
and I can keep up with work and my kids busy sports schedules.

Life is what you make of it - my doc saved my life by getting me off
the gout medication and getting my diagnosis right.

Please try to market your products in more mainstream ways. We are
simply a group of people who need encouragement from each other.
Sorry guys, I'm a newbie but I'm vocal!


Dee

Newly diagnosed RA (Jan 2006) mtx, folic acid, wellbutrin, ambien

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  Quote meme Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2006 at 5:54pm

 boy oh boy I 'm not around for a couple days and everything goes nuts!!!!   To kakako88, everyone has an opinion and a belief on how they can get help for their Ra, oa, pa etc.  I for one am on Arava,& enbrel for my ra oa pa and it has done wonders for me I don't even take my naxporin for pain that often either.  I am one of the fortunate who has found releif from Arthur.  If you had seen me last year and now this year you wouldn't believe I was the same person.  I know that others have found help through other alternatives and it is working well for them.  Please remember what works for one person doesn't always work for another.  Some of the people have been thorugh hell with disease and we have been there for each other.  If you have found something that works for you that is absolutely wonderful, but do not put down others because they are not interested in it.  You  do not have the right to ridicule people on this board because they are not interested.  If you pm someone on  your health drink or whatever and they told you they are not interested then stop bothering them!!    If you want to advertise your product then do it the proper way contact the people who run this site, and have them put it on the home page and pay the fee that the other companies pay to be able to advertise at this site and stop bothering people with pms.  To my fellow Ai people, let just ignore this person and maybe they will get the hint.  meme

 ps Crunchy you're the bomb xoxoxox



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I DON'T SUFFER FROM BOUTS OF INSANITY, I ENJOY EVERY MINUTE OF IT!!
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  Quote crunchy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2006 at 7:49pm

I am feelin' the love yall!!

And I hear ya when you say ignore it---that was even my own advice once upon a week ago! But I guess I just kinda snapped when this koko-nut started in on Fiona on one of the other threads. I really wish this was not even an issue here and it doesnt have to be anymore. From now on we just need to report any trolllers to the admin.---besides in all truthfulness, this has kept us busy and somewhat entertained to say the least. It is kind of like our own little AI version of Jerry Springer!


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  Quote kokako88 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 March 2006 at 11:21pm

badbones, it is interesting about "attempting to brainwash and convince....". You already brainwashed yourself. Let me quote in chapter 4 in one of the books ..They Say, "There Is No Cure". Quote: Yet, you have read and heard on television and radio that "There is no cure for arthritis."  You have been warned that anyone who speaks to the contrary must be a quack or a fraud. Americans have been brainwashed with this propaganda through various communication media for so long that they accept this statement as truth. Cleverly written and professionally acted-with the authoritative aura of white-coated actors-these drug commercials bombard you from the magic screen day-in and day-out, in an endless repetition until you, in fatalistic resignation, giving up all hope of permanent cure, go to the nearest drugstore and buy a bottle of well-advertised painkiller, that promises you "relief". This guy don't brainwash but shoot an arrow with this message.

What are all these fuss? I firmly stated NO DRUG, HEALTHY & CORRECT FOODS to the world at large. IT WORKS FOR ARTHRITIS! In all treatments the conclusion is whether "Does It Work" This statement is for others to pick up and make lifestyle changes. Many people follow the "Natural Zone" or "Biological Zone".

You have your cocktail of drugs to persue for a cure and go ahead. You have your curative methods of accepted orthodox treatment with drugs. You follow your Twilight Zone. Your substances  are all about sales pit, giving names, making sweeping statements, about this guy and thay guy where is the logic!!! 

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  Quote meme Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 March 2006 at 1:59am

Kokako88 you have gone over the line!!!  You have your beliefs fine and dandy, but you do not have the right to insult the people of this board!!!!  I know what book your are talking about and let me tell you that person is not a certified anything, so go peddle your insults some where else and leave the good people of this board alone, they have stated they are not interested in your statements or your quotes, so in other words stop the foolishness now!!!   meme

ps I am done wit this post because this person thinks they know everything and no matter what we say they are just going to continue to rant.  Such anger kokako 88 isn't good for ra either!!



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  Quote crunchy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 March 2006 at 4:00am

I just have to say this because, well it is the truth, and it needs to be said. Contrary to what you may believe, we do not see advertisments for the medications which we are taking. I can honostly say that for a while, years ago, I think Celebrex ran a commercial but it was general and not focused on RA/OA. The only one that I do see is for Tylenol Arthritis, and I have commented on this in a previous post...Tylenol Arthritis is a joke. Tylenol is good for some things but not RA. Most of us are well aware of the differences between acetominaphen and NSAIDS. So I can truthfully say that I have had more advertisement on this board for products than I have ever seen on television (and I watch alot of TV). Also if you read the posts and signitures you will find that the majority of us are on generic drugs, so the whole theory of  our RD's being influenced by drug reps is a wash. Prednisone, methotrexate and folic acid are all generics.  Ibuprofen and naproxen are generic as well. The good doctor writes for generic where possible to ensure that his patient can afford the medications which based on scientific clinical studies have proven to be the most effective for his patients condition. I work with doctors on a daily basis. These men and women are real people who work hard to do the right thing by their patients. They work the long hours and endure alot of stress and liability because they care about people, they want to touch lives---and hopefully make them just a little bit better. I am no fool, I know that healthcare in general terms is alot about money. But we all do what we do because of a calling to meet the needs of others. It is important not to let a few bad experiences cause us to make generalizations. The fact is that most doctors are trying their best to make people better, and their best is based on phenominal educations. I have had the pleasure to work with and be friends with several medical doctors who are exceptionally intellegent and really wonderful people. 


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  Quote badbones Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 March 2006 at 4:55am

Look...........k whatever..

""Your substances  are all about sales pit,""

You leave my Rheumatologist and his sales reps out of this. He has studied for many years, passed more exams than you will ever see in a lifetime, has more certifications than you can count on one hand and is head of the AMA. THat is the American Medical Association is case you are not familiar with it. To add to this he is a good friend, my confidantwe and saved me from RHeumatoid damage and helped me through one of the worst times of my life. So think twice before you mock our ways of medicine, think three times before you insult me because you are also insulting my Rheumatologist.

WE need drug companies and I like their pens too and many times I have recieved free meds from them when I simply had no money because I WAS SO SICK WITH THIS DISEASE I COULD NOT WORK> I have a degree, I have researched, do not INSULT MY intelligence or the good RD's of this world.

I am so glad that there are other forums to go to of which I am a member of and you cannot insult us there cause guess what...on those boards you will get kicked off!

I too have fed you enough words of argument to feed your cause or your ego, whichever it may be. I too will not be giving you anymore attention. I hate to waste my time on such foolishness.

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