Enter at your own risk!!!!! This thread can be quite brutal at times!
It was started due to another thread beginning to be contaminated with political opinons (Bush bashing).
I had suggested to open a thread called "I Hate the Bush's," and do your thing. I went one step further and created it for them.
Yeah, Bush has cleaned up a whole lot. (sarcasm, in case you didn't notice it.) I was doing a lot better when Clinton was in office, and nobody better say that was thanks to Reagan and Bush Sr. cuz I don't buy that for a second.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that is mine.
an unwanted shrub is a thorn in everyone's side. Google "bush video" or just visit YouTube and do the same. Pay special attention to the video's of his responses from 10-15 years ago and those of today. I suspect many will find the comparison interesting or scary as the case may be.I just watched Dennis Kucinich on Bill Maher the other night and really liked him. He had some good policies. And nice kind eyes and smile.
I can't help but observe that people on this thread seemed preoccupied about Bill lying to Hillary, but no one seems overly concerned that Bush lied to his people and the world.Bill Maher and the rest of the panel had problems making sense out of some of the stuff she was saying too lol. We were not the only ones.
It is partly the government on why our meds are so dang expensive. These big pharmaceutical companies have to lobby a lot of times for research money and research grants. Lobbying involves politicians. The big drug companies need money from the government to help pay for research. All the money does not come from the little guy who has to purchase these incredibly expensive drugs. I also feel that the CEO's etc. of the drug companies and the insurance companies want to line their pockets with green. To me, it is all one big huge monopoly tied in together...drug companies and insurnace companies.
As far as the president in office goes whether it is Bush or someone else coming up in the next election, it doesn't really matter. I have always felt that these guys have agendas of their own to follow. Yes, I believe Bush is all about the oil. I just wish there was another way he could have gone about this. I do feel lied to about the war in Iraq. I do want our troops home. I do want national health care. I do want to be able to afford meds for both me and Danielle. Without Bush and his No Child Left Behind Act, I would not have the 504 Plan protection that Danielle needs for school. So there is good with the not so good.
When Mr. Bill got busted for not being able to keep it zipped, my first thought was...if he cheats on his wife...does he cheat on his country? How can I trust this guy now since he has shown this dishonesty.
For me, it is not about political party affiliation. It is about the individual person and what they say and propose they can do for the working guy. Middle America is slowly fading away.
i knew this would be contraversial! i saw bill Maher, and agree on the woman on the right, was strange, and the woman in the middle, the reporter working in Iraq was great!We have burned many bridges in the United Nations and pretty much can not count on it doing anything America asks it to do. It is politicized now and has all that corruption is it really worth it? I'm not really sure. Opinions?
Yeah, according to the tabloids Mr. Bill is still not keeping it zipped. Some guys...never change in that respect. I just couldn't sleep with him. I feel he parades these women around like trophies and that is just so wrong on so many levels. And the women allow it!!! Which is also just so wrong on so many levels.
i doubt he is still at it, and he had major heart surgery...but does he have blood on his hands?Danny and I saw this coming a long time ago. I believed when all this started it was about oil and continues to be about oil. We have always believed Bush has had his own agenda, but because it is the American way, it has been pounded into my head from the time I was little to support and honor the President. I'm sorry but I do believe it is all about lining the pockets of the rich by taking from the poor and the middle class (which is slowly fading away). The rich get the tax breaks. What about us little people that send their themselves (or in my case my husband) out to work 12 hours a day to support their family and insure we get some health care coverage. I worry every single day that his skilled trade/manufacturing job will go overseas or to Mexico. We had to leave a climate that was so good for my RA just so we could survive. I was in remission with no meds! Companies now want to outsource our health care to third world countries that can barely take care of their own citizens let alone my needs. There is no way on this earth I will allow anyone to send me there for a knee replacement.
Yes, I support my troops. They don't want to be in Iraq anymore than I want them to be. They are doing what they are told by their boss. And we all know who that is. I feel this so called war is waste of human life that no freakin politician cares about. Let's send their kids over there and I bet they would change their minds very quickly. Watch how fast our troops come home. Through my daughters class we have sent care packages to our troops. They crave stuff from home. I can't even fathom the unbearable pain of that knock on the door that your spouse or loved one is dead. I would be in the loony bin for quite awhile. It's time to clean up the mess and get the eff out of there. I can't trust anyone "in charge" of this war since they LIED about the death of many soldiers from friendly fire. It happens. Wish it didn't. Quit trying to cover stuff up because you are embarrassed something failed. Suck it up and admit your mistakes.
9/11? Don't even get me started. The government knew all along it was going to happen and they effing let it. Thanks a lot Washington D.C. Sorry, I feel it happened as an excuse for Bush to get over in Iraq and get his damn precious oil. Am I happy Saddam is no longer in power and control? I'm not really sure. There will just be another dictator just like him doing the same thing. Only this one is going to be more slick about it. Saddam could have been assinated and the person that the CIA chose to replace him in office right now and we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Osama? Puhlease. We are never going to find him. And when we do, he will have died from his own natural causes. Are we even looking for him anymore? The "war" overshadows anything about that.
My 12 year old can not stand Bush at all. Her opinion. But hey, let's take a look at the big picture. If you have a 12 year old girl that can recite what he has done to hurt the little people, then something is very very wrong here. She is really up in arms about banning stem cell research. There are new ways to gather the stem cells that do not involve aborted babies. But is that researched and looked at? NO! It is all about how would the current government in place make money off of it while millions of people suffer with diseases that haqve the possibility of being cured or placed into a med free long term remission.
Yes, I knew about the removal of the habeus corpus. And they called Bill Clinton slick.
The corruption in our government from greed makes me sick. Just exactly how much money is enough freakin money?
We are hated around the world because we are bullies. Just bully in and get what we want no matter the cost. Most of the time that cost is innocent lives. Haven't people heard you catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar? I really feel that being the leader of the free world has gone to Bush's head. Speaking of that....where in the world did this guy go to school? Did he not pay attention in school? The mistakes he makes when he speaks are down right embarrassing for this entire country.
I very rarely speak my mind on politics because this really is not the place for it. But since I can't do anything physical, I'm exercising my brain lately. It's good to have a debate as long as you keep the personal lattacks out of it and stick to your own opinions and facts. Heck, this breaks up the monotony of my day and gets me thinking and discussing current events with the kids so they can learn something too. Like how to debate the right way. Something good can come of political discussions. Plus it is very interesting to me to see what other people think about the state of this country. I may not agree with it, but it sure gets me thinking about things I probably haven't thought of before.
Some of us are housebound (like me dang it) and this can be very good for us. We get to feeling so worthless and that no one really wants to hear what we think and feel that this type of debate gives us an outlet for what is going on in our brains!! Just please, keep it nice! Otherwise, we are no better than the people and policies we are debating about.
Grammaskittles, you're right about keeping the debate objective. I edittedGimpy you just set a very good example for people that may have let their emotions take over for a few minutes. Hey, it happens. Politics can be very emotionally charged! Politics determine the direction of the world we live in and also our personal lives! That is really great that you did that. Thank you so much!
As far as what will happen when we pull out. The two factions will continue fighting and the government leaders are going to have to learn how to handle it and resolve it. Yes, we are teaching them how to run a democratic government (uhhh not sure we are the greatest example in the world right now lol), but eventually, school has to be out and you have to take what you learn and use it. Just have to cut those apron strings at some point. Maybe it will also force us to look at other natural resources for fuel and energy if Bush doesn't get the oil he wants. Heck...wind power, solar power, all natural and in abundance. Haven't there been cars developed lately that can run on recycled veggie oil? It could end up to be a very good thing for our planet if we pull out soon.
Gimpy, socialism and communism have never made it here. WE are a democratic society. Thank God.I have been reading this thread and I am not going to comment on American politics as I dont live there but I have met some wonderful Americans on here.Its a worldwide problem of the people in higher places filling their coffers and the old people suffering from lack of medical needs and basic human rights.The governments talk the talk but never walk the walk.Here in the UK paedophiles and such get away with it but old people who cant afford to pay their bills get sentenced, medical needs are high with little money to fund them but thousands of pounds are spent on flights and lavish dinners for the powers in high places . Things need to go back to basics :good education, medical , poverty.
As I said before I lived in South Africa where the government had it wrong for hundreds of years, I lived through apartheid and it was horrible.I went from the UK to South Africa and was horrified even as a child of 12 that black people couldnt get on my bus or go to school with me, their medical needs were never met, their education was almost non existant and poverty was on every corner.No wonder that the country is so crime ridden now.
Just to clarify, the United States is not a democracy...it's a republic.This turned out to be a very informative thread. This thread is proof that all stupidity and ignorance in these great United States is not all imported from Canada, much of the ignorance and stupidity here in the United States is actually homegrown as proven on this thread.
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Sickofdrama....my insurance company also changes what is in my insurance policy...not just my husbands company. They like to mess with my co-pay on meds all the time >.< For instance, Advair was just bumped from 25 to 50 bucks since there is no generic for it. I can get 3 different types of meds at the tier 1 level for the 10 buck co-pay. At least they are nice enough to send me cheaper suggestions lol. Until generic zoloft came out last summer, we paid 25 bucks for it. Then the generic was 10 when it came out. Now they bumped the non generic to 50 and the generic to 25. >.< It seems my meds that do not come in generic i.e. Lyrica, Humira, Lidoderm Patches are either 25 or 50 bucks.
Some parents incomes are on that fine line of not qualifying for state insurance in some states but they don't make enough money for doc visits and meds. We are fortunate in our state that no child goes without insurance no matter what your income level is. Sometimes there is a small co-pay for our state insurance for kids depending on the parents income. We are also fortunate that our state cares about pre-natal care and all women qualify for state help with pre-natal care despite income. There may be a small co-pay for both programs depending on income. It is a matter of income sometimes why kids are uninsured and that is just horrible. Women in our state also qualify for total free birth control if they can not afford it.
Where we live, road building is not a public enterprise. The individual counties take care of that. So it is not the same everywhere. Something really needs to be done about education in this country also. We are way behind other countries with that. Our test scores are just horrible. No Child Left Behind has barely made a dent with that. Thankfully we do have it and it is working to improve our schools. But it is not doing enough. The way our school systems are set up is the reason we do not live in Milwaukee itself as the schools suck. We pay more in rent to live where the schools are better. It would be a fight to get the accomodations for Danielle that she would need if she went to Milwaukee schools. Where we live, I have no fight getting what she needs.
It is awesome to live in a free country. I will be the first to admit that. No country hasn't made their mistakes with policies and laws that they have. We really need to take a good hard look at some of the policies we do have in place and make some changes to them as we progress into the future. Some of the policies just are not keeping up. There is nothing wrong with trying to improve and it is nothing against America to speak up for those improvements. I have children and grandchildren that are the future of this country. I want to do everything possible to ensure that they lead us into the future in a smart positive manner. And that means some policy changes and some policy changes NOW before it is too late.
I think it speaks volumes that this thread was started because someone[QUOTE=Gimpy-a-gogo]6t5friane, I guess they were fed up with how the government was
dictating their healthcare, forcing them to see incompetent doctors,
making them fill out 8 forms for an aspirin, all having to wear the same
shapeless grey jumpsuits as they went monotonously from one exact
building to another, where all doctors made the same prognosis' using
the exact same intonatioons and phrases. If they dare comment or
complain, at night, while they slept, Canadian paratroopers would storm
their hospital room and imprison them in Guantanamo Bay without
charge or trial. The ones that remained in Canada soon had to line up 18
hours for their breakfast of bread and water! Those that escaped to
America found gold lined hospitals with cures for RA and people happy
and dancing in the street. Everything was perfect and they lived happily
ever after.
That's the only explaination I can think of. Thanks for pointing that out to
me. I had no idea I was suffering like this![/QUOTE]
OMG...that had me laughing so hard
WOW! I'm speechless...
Except for the fact that I am irritated that there are some people being SO NASTY to others, when the others are not showing such disrespect. I hope I don't ever know you for real.
grammaskittles you've got some pretty good insurance there. My copays are significantly more than yours.Hi, Well here goes... first of all I wouldn"t hurt anyones feelings deliberatley for anything so please don"t take offense, this is just my personal feelings and beliefs... Let me say first off that I am a"fundamental, Bible believing, baptist, ultra conservatist, in the heart of the "BIBLE belt" I 've not read many comments from other christians on the politics and health care issues posted here though I'm sure there are many. I am very proud to be an American and a christian and will will support our troops in any endeavor our country calls on them to do. We have many social problems and agendas that need MAJOR reform , healthcare being at the top of the list. That being said and if anyone is still reading... (lol) I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion ( thank God for free Speech) and beliefs, that is what is so great about our country. Any LEGALIZED citizen of the USA has the right to protest, lobby, write senators or congressmen, and make a voice that will be heard (Cindy Sheehan). I DON"T think we have the right to sling mud and try to destroy another party because they don't believe just like me or you. No ONE is all right and no ONE is all wrong. Jesus Christ is the only ONE who has ever been PERFECT, SINLESS, and WITHOUT GUILE... Our answers to every problem we will ever face is given in the Bible if we would only believe and trust HIM. Sometimes being in the middle of so much suffering and limitations can make us lose site of something so important. PRAYER does change things. When you get down to it, that is all we can really count on. Not a man, your DR., and certainly not the government. We CAN change things and one persons voice CAN be heard by many.
AMEN [QUOTE=Redheadtheresa] Just to clarify, the United States is not a democracy...it's a republic.[/QUOTE]
I don't think any system of health care is perfect. If it was, there wouldn't be as many problems with getting care whether it was national health care paid for by your government or private health care paid by employee/employer or self insured. I really feel the solution could be a good mix of both. Not one or the other. Like basic prevantive care be a national thing. With basic preventative care, a lot of health problems are prevented so in turn health care costs stay down. Addiction and rehab counseling be a national thing. The rate of addiction is high and skyrocketing by the minute. Maybe also the cost of having a baby covered by mational health care. Tests provided by national health care. Do ya know how much a bone scan costs now a days? I almost fainted when I got my bill!!! Meds provided by national health care. Private health insurance for things like surgeries, broken bones, etc. Dental nationally provided. Incentives for more docs to hit the rural areas to provide care there. Income based medicaid for those that do not have insurance. Like a small co-pay based on income. If there is no income then medicaid picks it up. Requirements with welfare to get a job and get off of welfare. There are already a ton of job training programs in place that are either federally funded, grant funded, or privately funded.
Yeah Sickofdrama (man I wish you had a shorter name LOL I don't like anything I can use to shorten it lol), I have pretty decent insurance. But my husband is also union and it is proven that union employees have a 63% advantage over non union employees of having employee provided insurance and good insurance.
Here are some interesting little factoids on how our economy is affecting most workers. 4 out of 10 U.S. workers often or always live paycheck to paycheck. Overall, 41% of workers live paycheck to paycheck. Women are more likely at 47%. Men are at 36%. More than half..58% of the 6.169 surveyed by Harris Polls set a budget each month. 1 in 5 typically spend more than their budget.
Sorry for this being so long. I just get on a roll sometimes and these were some of things that had been rolling around in the brain I wanted to share and get opinions on.
That actually sounds like a good plan to me for those that don't use it much especially.I hate bushes too, expecially during the spring when I have to clear out all the dead underbush... it's all good though... without bushes, I would not have a job =) It's a love/hate relationship lol. I got the point you were making Chile. It is very true. Thanks for saving me grammaskittles lol But seriously, bushes make this world go 'round... at three dollars a gallon.Those of you in Canada, England, and Australia...what are your gas prices?
Yeah I about fainted when I saw gas was that high. Sigh. I wonder if we will be able to afford the drive to camping Memorial Day Weekend. I am going to hold off on making my reservations where we wanted to go because we might have to camp closer to home.
Gas in Vancouver was .25/litre today, but if you can get your kneeI don't even remember when gqas was 149.9 here lol. That is weird that diesel is cheaper for you. It is more expensive than normal unleaded here. Weirdness.
Until policies change, our gas prices will increase or remain at the high price they are now. I think it just really bugs me because the little people are not being thought about here. How are minimum wage peeps going to get to work with gas that high? Or the slowly fading middle class take those great driving vacations?
Gimpy...I would love it if my husband could ride a bike to work. But considering weather here changes by the minute, the cold cold winters, and his lunch box and the other crud he takes to work daily, plus me calling him to stop at the 24 walgreens on the way home, and he works 2nd shift, it just would not be feasible for him to do it.
My daughter does take public trnasportation to school and the other one walks and on her good days next year will most likely ride her bike to school. I don't work so I don't need to worry about transportation lol. But I did take public transportation to and from work for years.
As an edit to this post. My job rewarded people that did public transportation or car pooled.
gramma
policies can change all you want and you will never ever see a change in gas prices. Prices will stay the same or go up until the providers see a substantial change in consumer behavior. When oil companies find the price point at which they see a big drop in purchases they will then set prices at just below that point. Forget any hope of ever seeing really cheap gas prices again. The providers of learned that the consumers will purchase the same amount at higher price points
Its all consumer driven, govt policy really has very little to do with it. There is no real consumer driver for more gas efficient products or alternate gas vehicles. When that hap